點解佔中班人咁stubborn？好似入哂邪教咁，覺得自己信念係真理？

最弊d大既同佢地一齊癲！

因為啲大自己想佔中但冇膽又要返工搵食，所以推啲細嘅行先之後支持，明眼人都睇到啦！你估支持佔中班大人唔要搵錢㗎？佢地成日扮哂偉大咁因為佢地冇乜損失冇受影響！

有啲支持佔中人仕同我講，佢地支持佔中但又驚比人拉比人打又要返工，所以只是去一陣同買啲食物支持班學生叫佢地加油，呢啲人咪廢又自私囉！

What happened in Jun 4 has tremendous effect in Chinese history. Gov't recognize the need to appease its citizen, though it decided to use economic rather political reform to do so. In the next 25 years, it went from emerging market to be 2nd largest economy in the world. Have you ever wonder why Communist China is not the same as North Korea? Or Cuba? Or even former Soviet Union? China is the only communist country to achieve economic success. Why? It adopted capitalistic practices in its business. All that just to make sure its citizen are fed. Why does the gov't care? They are afraid of civil unrest. Which is the only tactics that citizens truly has against an elitist gov't that is run by tycoons like Hong Kong.
 
 Many are saying that they don't have money to feed their family. Many are saying they are not getting pay because of protesters. Show me statistics and evidence. How many of these people were affected? Taxi drivers are getting paid to protest. Mini van still has plenty of roads. Tram are still in operation. Most of us are still working since we are on this website. Who is hurt economically? Chow Tai Fook? All the large corporations that's missing all the Mainland tourist? Maybe these statements were construed by tycoons because their BUSINESS is severely hurt by the protesters. For most of us, we still go to work, with a salary. I saw the owner of underbridge crab yelling at the students, saying he has his parents to feed. Did you really believe that he is poor and have no money to feed his parents? If I were his parents, I would be embarrassed. He expanded too quickly and opened 4 new restaurants but he has to trash his seafood because low volume of customers. Is that someone we should show sympathy? Just like any investment, there are risks. I buy stock and worry about losses, he expanded but failed to recognize potential risk and did not save for rainy days. he's not out there asking to feed his parents, he's out there to feed his own greed.
 
 Sometimes, we have to examine the action of people. On one side, students are willing to sleep on the streets, risking being attack, rain, cold, etc to fight for something they believe.
 
 But on the other side, what has been done? Censor Apple daily by pouring soy sauce on newspaper? Send riot police? CY Leung being cold and removed from discussion? If I were neutral and saw the action taken by either side, I would choose to support the protesters.

Where are the evidence of all the allegations of the gov? Who knows for sure who's behind it all?

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A lot of us are out of pockets, the yellows are delusional and longwinded with their bs.

You make no sense replied at 2014-10-24 9:44 am
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 What happened in Jun 4 has tremendous effect in Chinese history. Gov't recognize the need to appease its citizen, though it decided to use economic rather political reform to do so. In the next 25 years, it went from emerging market to be 2nd largest economy in the world. Have you ever wonder why Communist China is not the same as North Korea? Or Cuba? Or even former Soviet Union? China is the only communist country to achieve economic success. Why? It adopted capitalistic practices in its business. All that just to make sure its citizen are fed. Why does the gov't care? They are afraid of civil unrest. Which is the only tactics that citizens truly has against an elitist gov't that is run by tycoons like Hong Kong.
 
 Many are saying that they don't have money to feed their family. Many are saying they are not getting pay because of protesters. Show me statistics and evidence. How many of these people were affected? Taxi drivers are getting paid to protest. Mini van still has plenty of roads. Tram are still in operation. Most of us are still working since we are on this website. Who is hurt economically? Chow Tai Fook? All the large corporations that's missing all the Mainland tourist? Maybe these statements were construed by tycoons because their BUSINESS is severely hurt by the protesters. For most of us, we still go to work, with a salary. I saw the owner of underbridge crab yelling at the students, saying he has his parents to feed. Did you really believe that he is poor and have no money to feed his parents? If I were his parents, I would be embarrassed. He expanded too quickly and opened 4 new restaurants but he has to trash his seafood because low volume of customers. Is that someone we should show sympathy? Just like any investment, there are risks. I buy stock and worry about losses, he expanded but failed to recognize potential risk and did not save for rainy days. he's not out there asking to feed his parents, he's out there to feed his own greed.
 
 Sometimes, we have to examine the action of people. On one side, students are willing to sleep on the streets, risking being attack, rain, cold, etc to fight for something they believe.
 
 But on the other side, what has been done? Censor Apple daily by pouring soy sauce on newspaper? Send riot police? CY Leung being cold and removed from discussion? If I were neutral and saw the action taken by either side, I would choose to support the protesters.
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 u nvr read news, economists already estimated the loss amount to nearly a billion every day.
 
 do u mean only the poor need to be taken care of, the business men has no right to protect the interest? u seem more communists than the communist party then!!
 
 on friday nite, a restaurant @CWB which used to be fully booked, just occupied 1/3 of the tables.
 
 yes, students got paid to protest too, do u know that?

You make no sense
 
 how about making the street as venue as carnival, stealing electricity from light pole.......... are these are right things to do?

. replied at 2014-10-24 10:01 am
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 You make no sense replied at 2014-10-24 9:44 am
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 What happened in Jun 4 has tremendous effect in Chinese history. Gov't recognize the need to appease its citizen, though it decided to use economic rather political reform to do so. In the next 25 years, it went from emerging market to be 2nd largest economy in the world. Have you ever wonder why Communist China is not the same as North Korea? Or Cuba? Or even former Soviet Union? China is the only communist country to achieve economic success. Why? It adopted capitalistic practices in its business. All that just to make sure its citizen are fed. Why does the gov't care? They are afraid of civil unrest. Which is the only tactics that citizens truly has against an elitist gov't that is run by tycoons like Hong Kong.
 
 Many are saying that they don't have money to feed their family. Many are saying they are not getting pay because of protesters. Show me statistics and evidence. How many of these people were affected? Taxi drivers are getting paid to protest. Mini van still has plenty of roads. Tram are still in operation. Most of us are still working since we are on this website. Who is hurt economically? Chow Tai Fook? All the large corporations that's missing all the Mainland tourist? Maybe these statements were construed by tycoons because their BUSINESS is severely hurt by the protesters. For most of us, we still go to work, with a salary. I saw the owner of underbridge crab yelling at the students, saying he has his parents to feed. Did you really believe that he is poor and have no money to feed his parents? If I were his parents, I would be embarrassed. He expanded too quickly and opened 4 new restaurants but he has to trash his seafood because low volume of customers. Is that someone we should show sympathy? Just like any investment, there are risks. I buy stock and worry about losses, he expanded but failed to recognize potential risk and did not save for rainy days. he's not out there asking to feed his parents, he's out there to feed his own greed.
 
 Sometimes, we have to examine the action of people. On one side, students are willing to sleep on the streets, risking being attack, rain, cold, etc to fight for something they believe.
 
 But on the other side, what has been done? Censor Apple daily by pouring soy sauce on newspaper? Send riot police? CY Leung being cold and removed from discussion? If I were neutral and saw the action taken by either side, I would choose to support the protesters.
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 u nvr read news, economists already estimated the loss amount to nearly a billion every day.
 
 do u mean only the poor need to be taken care of, the business men has no right to protect the interest? u seem more communists than the communist party then!!
 
 on friday nite, a restaurant @CWB which used to be fully booked, just occupied 1/3 of the tables.
 
 yes, students got paid to protest too, do u know that?
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you make no sense
 the oc people are making self sacrifice which is fine for most people, but they are pulling other people to sacrifice with them. what kind of logic is that?

Do you really think that students got paid to protest? That's probably the biggest farce I have ever read? Who would pay them and how much. I sure have seen plenty of evidence showing taxi drivers, mainlander, construction workers being paid. No one has produce evidence on protesters being paid.
 
 Economist estimate? How do you estimate an event like that? Based on what number? What's the calculation? I would LOVE to hear the numbers. Most people look at headlines, but no evidence behind the statement. I sure read the news, but I also decide what is true or not. Remember, economists like these are looking out for self interest, they want to make a name for themselves, and if they say things like "the protest would not affect economy", they would not be interviewed. Even John Tsang said it has not affected stock markets too much. If investor truly believed that businesses are getting hurt, wouldn't people sell shares of HSI? You can listen to economist, but I'll evaluate the effects through broader means like stock markets.
 
 Most of the argument against the protesters have been based on self interest. Either businesses not making money, or individual not making money.
 
 I think at the end of the day, it comes down to this. People are piss because their lives are affected. They would normally not care about politics and just want to live their lives. Chinese people can never be united and move in the same direction, because too many are looking out for self-interest but not the interest of the society or culture.
 
 What if HK in 30yrs be fully incorporated into China? Can we still speak freely on this site? Facebook? Tweeter? This is the reality. Hong Kong WILL be fully incorporated into China, the current 1 country 2 system is just giving us time to adjust. The incorporation has already begun ECONOMICALLY (HK is already dependent on mainland businesses), SOCIALLY (through immigration, those who grew up in mainland bring their communistic ideas mix in with HKs, since they already take up a lot of seats in HK's university. Once that happens, less people will/can fight for freedom of speech, freedom of press, facebook, twitter, will be censored. Media is already self-censored (ie TVB). This is why there's a need for free election. In action today means we won't have a choice to take any action in the future.

GX replied at 2014-10-24 12:37 am
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 因為啲大自己想佔中但冇膽又要返工搵食，所以推啲細嘅行先之後支持，明眼人都睇到啦！你估支持佔中班大人唔要搵錢㗎？佢地成日扮哂偉大咁因為佢地冇乜損失冇受影響！
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 邊有人咁偉大，個個都為自己先啦。我唔排除好多人想借政治嚟出位但唔好影響到其他人，其他人地都有選擇有人權。
 
 佔中班人都有害群之馬啦，唔好成日話啲反佔中人士同差人，一亂就係咁，好多人失常重亂咁講嘢添，特首係咁，係書都大有人在！

書真係多長氣大叔！
 係人都唔like比人阻頭阻世啦，仲係沒期沒了個隻喎！咁簡單道理都唔明？
 所以咪咁多夢想家去佔中囉。攪亂嘢又唔識拾返！冇鬼用！

You make no sense replied at 2014-10-24 2:45 pm
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 Do you really think that students got paid to protest? That's probably the biggest farce I have ever read? Who would pay them and how much. I sure have seen plenty of evidence showing taxi drivers, mainlander, construction workers being paid. No one has produce evidence on protesters being paid.
 
 Economist estimate? How do you estimate an event like that? Based on what number? What's the calculation? I would LOVE to hear the numbers. Most people look at headlines, but no evidence behind the statement. I sure read the news, but I also decide what is true or not. Remember, economists like these are looking out for self interest, they want to make a name for themselves, and if they say things like "the protest would not affect economy", they would not be interviewed. Even John Tsang said it has not affected stock markets too much. If investor truly believed that businesses are getting hurt, wouldn't people sell shares of HSI? You can listen to economist, but I'll evaluate the effects through broader means like stock markets.
 
 Most of the argument against the protesters have been based on self interest. Either businesses not making money, or individual not making money.
 
 I think at the end of the day, it comes down to this. People are piss because their lives are affected. They would normally not care about politics and just want to live their lives. Chinese people can never be united and move in the same direction, because too many are looking out for self-interest but not the interest of the society or culture.
 
 What if HK in 30yrs be fully incorporated into China? Can we still speak freely on this site? Facebook? Tweeter? This is the reality. Hong Kong WILL be fully incorporated into China, the current 1 country 2 system is just giving us time to adjust. The incorporation has already begun ECONOMICALLY (HK is already dependent on mainland businesses), SOCIALLY (through immigration, those who grew up in mainland bring their communistic ideas mix in with HKs, since they already take up a lot of seats in HK's university. Once that happens, less people will/can fight for freedom of speech, freedom of press, facebook, twitter, will be censored. Media is already self-censored (ie TVB). This is why there's a need for free election. In action today means we won't have a choice to take any action in the future.
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 i got fd working in uni library, he overheard the conversation between students. well, u can always choose not to accept. but then what evidence u got ppl get paid to act against the protestors, got any clip? pls post up here then.

i m not an economist, but we all depend on diff estimates in our life. if u challenge nos, ok then, tell me how many % of hk population pro & how many against the oc movement. if u dont hv any no. to support the pro camp is over 50%, how come these ppl represent all of hk?

我啲表弟表妹去佔中是因為貪玩同羊群效應,如果唔去會俾佢啲同學朋友杯葛,冇收錢嘅,其實佢地都唔清楚乜嘢事剩係知啲人話政府衰.

many ppl in many countries are not united, so many cases for fight for independence.........scotland, spain, quebec, etc
 
 but no place could see these ppl use the way of severely affecting other ppl's live to fight for what they want!!

表姐 replied at 2014-10-24 3:47 pm
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 我啲表弟表妹去佔中是因為貪玩同羊群效應,如果唔去會俾佢啲同學朋友杯葛,冇收錢嘅,其實佢地都唔清楚乜嘢事剩係知啲人話政府衰.
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 唔係話個個收錢，係曾經係唔同渠道收到風。咁唔通個個係街上同班佔中人士爭執係個個有錢收？係我即去！

. replied at 2014-10-24 4:02 pm
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 表姐 replied at 2014-10-24 3:47 pm
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 我啲表弟表妹去佔中是因為貪玩同羊群效應,如果唔去會俾佢啲同學朋友杯葛,冇收錢嘅,其實佢地都唔清楚乜嘢事剩係知啲人話政府衰.
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 唔係話個個收錢，係曾經係唔同渠道收到風。咁唔通個個係街上同班佔中人士爭執係個個有錢收？係我即去！
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 我都唔信個個有收錢，好多人覺得班佔中人士好煩頂佢地唔順就真。不過佢地死都話啲反佔中人士收咗錢和好少數人反對佔中，其實多過一半香港市民唔滿意班佔中人士就真，佢地自己黑人憎仲要賴三賴四，俾借口自己繼續佔中搗亂啫，好無賴！
 
 佢地佔中有冇問過其他反佔中人士？佢地唔代表我地！佢地咁無能，冇可能代表我地！

. replied at 2014-10-24 3:38 pm
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 You make no sense replied at 2014-10-24 2:45 pm
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 Do you really think that students got paid to protest? That's probably the biggest farce I have ever read? Who would pay them and how much. I sure have seen plenty of evidence showing taxi drivers, mainlander, construction workers being paid. No one has produce evidence on protesters being paid.
 
 Economist estimate? How do you estimate an event like that? Based on what number? What's the calculation? I would LOVE to hear the numbers. Most people look at headlines, but no evidence behind the statement. I sure read the news, but I also decide what is true or not. Remember, economists like these are looking out for self interest, they want to make a name for themselves, and if they say things like "the protest would not affect economy", they would not be interviewed. Even John Tsang said it has not affected stock markets too much. If investor truly believed that businesses are getting hurt, wouldn't people sell shares of HSI? You can listen to economist, but I'll evaluate the effects through broader means like stock markets.
 
 Most of the argument against the protesters have been based on self interest. Either businesses not making money, or individual not making money.
 
 I think at the end of the day, it comes down to this. People are piss because their lives are affected. They would normally not care about politics and just want to live their lives. Chinese people can never be united and move in the same direction, because too many are looking out for self-interest but not the interest of the society or culture.
 
 What if HK in 30yrs be fully incorporated into China? Can we still speak freely on this site? Facebook? Tweeter? This is the reality. Hong Kong WILL be fully incorporated into China, the current 1 country 2 system is just giving us time to adjust. The incorporation has already begun ECONOMICALLY (HK is already dependent on mainland businesses), SOCIALLY (through immigration, those who grew up in mainland bring their communistic ideas mix in with HKs, since they already take up a lot of seats in HK's university. Once that happens, less people will/can fight for freedom of speech, freedom of press, facebook, twitter, will be censored. Media is already self-censored (ie TVB). This is why there's a need for free election. In action today means we won't have a choice to take any action in the future.
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 what if? then u are just making an assumption. can we ....? how can u tell we cant, what evidence u got? what no./figures can u base on to make such assumption? dependent on china.... what %, if u hv the %, how to get these figures? free election can stop hk's dependence on china economically? can stop uni to accept mainland student?

表姐 replied at 2014-10-24 4:19 pm
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 . replied at 2014-10-24 4:02 pm
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 表姐 replied at 2014-10-24 3:47 pm
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 我啲表弟表妹去佔中是因為貪玩同羊群效應,如果唔去會俾佢啲同學朋友杯葛,冇收錢嘅,其實佢地都唔清楚乜嘢事剩係知啲人話政府衰.
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 唔係話個個收錢，係曾經係唔同渠道收到風。咁唔通個個係街上同班佔中人士爭執係個個有錢收？係我即去！
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 我都唔信個個有收錢，好多人覺得班佔中人士好煩頂佢地唔順就真。不過佢地死都話啲反佔中人士收咗錢和好少數人反對佔中，其實多過一半香港市民唔滿意班佔中人士就真，佢地自己黑人憎仲要賴三賴四，俾借口自己繼續佔中搗亂啫，好無賴！
 
 佢地佔中有冇問過其他反佔中人士？佢地唔代表我地！佢地咁無能，冇可能代表我地！
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 電子大王講得好：
 佔中是漠視受影響市民生計斷絕，不尊重並騎劫其他市民的民權和自由，成為其威脅政府妥協的籌碼，「此等剝削禁止市民連簡單使用一般道路的權利，有如禁止我等運用呼吸的機能，有何分別？如此專制獨裁，有人類歷史以來，世界上任何獨裁國家，任何暴君均未敢有如此暴政惡行。」

. replied at 2014-10-24 4:25 pm
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 表姐 replied at 2014-10-24 4:19 pm
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 . replied at 2014-10-24 4:02 pm
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 表姐 replied at 2014-10-24 3:47 pm
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 我啲表弟表妹去佔中是因為貪玩同羊群效應,如果唔去會俾佢啲同學朋友杯葛,冇收錢嘅,其實佢地都唔清楚乜嘢事剩係知啲人話政府衰.
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 唔係話個個收錢，係曾經係唔同渠道收到風。咁唔通個個係街上同班佔中人士爭執係個個有錢收？係我即去！
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 我都唔信個個有收錢，好多人覺得班佔中人士好煩頂佢地唔順就真。不過佢地死都話啲反佔中人士收咗錢和好少數人反對佔中，其實多過一半香港市民唔滿意班佔中人士就真，佢地自己黑人憎仲要賴三賴四，俾借口自己繼續佔中搗亂啫，好無賴！
 
 佢地佔中有冇問過其他反佔中人士？佢地唔代表我地！佢地咁無能，冇可能代表我地！
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 電子大王講得好：
 佔中是漠視受影響市民生計斷絕，不尊重並騎劫其他市民的民權和自由，成為其威脅政府妥協的籌碼，「此等剝削禁止市民連簡單使用一般道路的權利，有如禁止我等運用呼吸的機能，有何分別？如此專制獨裁，有人類歷史以來，世界上任何獨裁國家，任何暴君均未敢有如此暴政惡行。」
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 所以我一早支持清場又教壞哂班細路，我班表弟妹。呢班無賴學乜人講民主？不過政府太無能喇，都係抵閙！

表姐，極之贊同，明知都唔可能妥協，係度拖對受影響既人非常不公平，對警隊士氣好大打擊...甚麼法治，已經蕩然無存，我係外國投資者，都速速搬去上海/新加坡啦！

Firstly, Scottish and English are actually different people, so are Spanish and people from Catalan, that's why they want their independence. Hence, not sure how that's related.
 
 Second, I saw a poll showing that a third support protesters, a third against, and a third don't care. Another poll shows about 45% pro/45% against and rest don't care. So I agree that not everyone supports. But I never said one is majority and the other is not. Not sure how to respond to this one either.
 
 Those are the two things that I understood from your responses. I can use a similar example, about affecting lives of normal people. Russia supported those who wanted Crimea and Eastern Ukraine be part of Russia instead of Ukraine. After Crimea annexed Ukraine, US and Europe enforced economic sanctions against Russian companies. Why did they do that? So the sanctions could put pressure against Russian businesses and then those would pressure Putin to seize his annexation.
 
 The aim of the protesters is the same,that when normal lives are affected, people should go to gov't and demand for change, not tell the student to go home. How come no one is telling Leung that he needs to make changes? Instead, there's only complain about students blocking the streets. If Leung/gov't would be willing to concede, then the students can go home. But since the public don't care enough to make changes, and not support these students, Leung/gov't wouldn't have to do anything, since there's so much in fighting between different people. This is exactly what communist gov't do. Soviet Union turned family members against each other, wife report husbands, child reporting parents to the communist army of wrong doing. This is from visiting museum in Hungary. Chinese gov't does this perfectly. Now, if this is something you can accept, then keep yelling at me. we would play out exactly what Chinese gov't want.

. replied at 2014-10-24 4:46 pm
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 表姐，極之贊同，明知都唔可能妥協，係度拖對受影響既人非常不公平，對警隊士氣好大打擊...甚麼法治，已經蕩然無存，我係外國投資者，都速速搬去上海/新加坡啦！
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 佢地唔識尊重人仲有乜好講？我見啲老人家好聲叫佢地開路佢地都當聽唔到。我就最尊重老人家嘅，佢地好冇禮貌囉又唱乜生日歌，正小學雞，冇家教！口口聲聲話和平？攪到神憎鬼厭叫和平？佢地唔滿意香港都可以移民㗎，點解要逼我地走呀？
 
 其實佢地點止要民主咁簡單，問題又咪同金錢掛勾，工作，收入，房屋各樣不滿！仲話啲市民自私掛住搵錢，歪理！
 
 講多都嘥氣，佢地已被洗腦。支持清場！

you make no sense replied at 2014-10-24 5:01 pm
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 Firstly, Scottish and English are actually different people, so are Spanish and people from Catalan, that's why they want their independence. Hence, not sure how that's related.
 
 Second, I saw a poll showing that a third support protesters, a third against, and a third don't care. Another poll shows about 45% pro/45% against and rest don't care. So I agree that not everyone supports. But I never said one is majority and the other is not. Not sure how to respond to this one either.
 
 Those are the two things that I understood from your responses. I can use a similar example, about affecting lives of normal people. Russia supported those who wanted Crimea and Eastern Ukraine be part of Russia instead of Ukraine. After Crimea annexed Ukraine, US and Europe enforced economic sanctions against Russian companies. Why did they do that? So the sanctions could put pressure against Russian businesses and then those would pressure Putin to seize his annexation.
 
 The aim of the protesters is the same,that when normal lives are affected, people should go to gov't and demand for change, not tell the student to go home. How come no one is telling Leung that he needs to make changes? Instead, there's only complain about students blocking the streets. If Leung/gov't would be willing to concede, then the students can go home. But since the public don't care enough to make changes, and not support these students, Leung/gov't wouldn't have to do anything, since there's so much in fighting between different people. This is exactly what communist gov't do. Soviet Union turned family members against each other, wife report husbands, child reporting parents to the communist army of wrong doing. This is from visiting museum in Hungary. Chinese gov't does this perfectly. Now, if this is something you can accept, then keep yelling at me. we would play out exactly what Chinese gov't want.
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 Actually most Crimeans wanted to join Russia, totally different situation to hk.
 US intervening for their self gain.

they are diff ppl? pls enlighten me on what ground u would say so. if u say quebec i may agree a bit with u, but for the other 2 places, i doubt the justification of saying so.
 
 so london ppl is also diff from liverpool ppl? hk ppl is diff from kln ppl, in turn diff from NT ppl, etc. hahaha~~

Enigma replied at 2014-10-24 5:21 pm
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 you make no sense replied at 2014-10-24 5:01 pm
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 Firstly, Scottish and English are actually different people, so are Spanish and people from Catalan, that's why they want their independence. Hence, not sure how that's related.
 
 Second, I saw a poll showing that a third support protesters, a third against, and a third don't care. Another poll shows about 45% pro/45% against and rest don't care. So I agree that not everyone supports. But I never said one is majority and the other is not. Not sure how to respond to this one either.
 
 Those are the two things that I understood from your responses. I can use a similar example, about affecting lives of normal people. Russia supported those who wanted Crimea and Eastern Ukraine be part of Russia instead of Ukraine. After Crimea annexed Ukraine, US and Europe enforced economic sanctions against Russian companies. Why did they do that? So the sanctions could put pressure against Russian businesses and then those would pressure Putin to seize his annexation.
 
 The aim of the protesters is the same,that when normal lives are affected, people should go to gov't and demand for change, not tell the student to go home. How come no one is telling Leung that he needs to make changes? Instead, there's only complain about students blocking the streets. If Leung/gov't would be willing to concede, then the students can go home. But since the public don't care enough to make changes, and not support these students, Leung/gov't wouldn't have to do anything, since there's so much in fighting between different people. This is exactly what communist gov't do. Soviet Union turned family members against each other, wife report husbands, child reporting parents to the communist army of wrong doing. This is from visiting museum in Hungary. Chinese gov't does this perfectly. Now, if this is something you can accept, then keep yelling at me. we would play out exactly what Chinese gov't want.
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 Actually most Crimeans wanted to join Russia, totally different situation to hk.
 US intervening for their self gain.
 
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 turning family members against each other, wife vs husband...exactly the result of the oc movement, i dont see how u can blame the central gov for this, but those who organize the oc campaign.
 
 protesting did not promote democracy, but increased hostility among family members, fds, etc~~

UCLA alumni condemns violence erupted in Hong Kong by local students.

condemns the students?

The protestors would support their "claims" at any costs even wisting all facts and figures, this is called arrogance and ignorance.

假如我上你屋企口爆你娘親一鑊, 然後舉高雙手狂插你老婆下面, 再用精液和平佔領你個妹後花園. 吾知你同你老頭有咩感覺?