父母正人渣, 佢地就過足幾年手癮, 我地就慘足一世, 讀完書就同人家d仔女爭飯食

Parents are supposed to bear the responsibility to teach and provide guidance to their children when they grow up. If you are so impotent and you have known that you would be failing to do so, please don't give birth to any child because of your selfishness. Be a responsible parent and human being. 養不教，父之過；教不嚴，師之惰

i think the issue of subject selection is only one of the factors. What she wants to express is her mother's failure to care for her mental needs

小朋友們,
 中三選科固然只係村姑不滿佢媽媽既其中一樣野, 但既然佢用得呢個做例子, 佢當然認為呢件事係芸芸眾多事件中極具代表性既一項, 咁大家當然會就呢個例子回應啦, 呢d唔叫斷章取義卦, 我地只想你地明白, 令村姑咁介懷既一件事, 晌我地眼中, 實在沒什大不了, 好多野, 你地以為係理所當然, 所以, 當人地話呢d野唔駛一定問父母卦, 你地會將佢解讀作果d人係自己選擇唔問, 認為問父母意見好瘀/係一種羞恥, 但事實呢, 都係果句啦, 幸福唔係必然既

幸兒,
 都想同你講一句, 俾心機行一條自己開既路, 你一定會更加開心, 好多人都話細個無憂無慮好開心, 我細個雖然無你咁慘, 但都覺人愈大反而愈開心, 因為可以有更多既野由自己掌握

Parents are supposed to bear the responsibility to ..................
 
 
 [ ....... a long list .......]
 
 
 
 DO THEY KNOW?
 DO YOU KNOW IF THEY KNEW?
 
 DO LET US KNOW ONCE YOU KNEW.

40歲人
 
 我有份參與中三選科問父母問題,
 但係唔知你睇乜, 由此至終只係集中認同sentor一段, 中三選科問父母,有何不可?, 唔係回應你 or hahaha, 好, 你講村姑, 我認同"我咁睇" , 村姑用選科引申母親同女兒溝通問題, 你就理解作為村姑冇主見, 無限量擴大呢一點, 為拗而拗

40歲人,
 i think you are a bit old to understand the feelings of younger people or you have already forgotten how you used to feel. That subject selection in Form.4 is a very significant turning point or diversion of one's life. Students may very often be confused when selecting the streams given the education system didn't enough provide flexibility for students i.e. either arts or science but not something in between. Not everyone is strong and determined enough to make such a decision faced with the uncertainty of the future. If the parents failed to or even omitted to give advice without exhausting any other possible alternatives, they are not qualified as good parents. What is so trifling in the eyes of a 40 year old may somehow mean something crucial to the person in that situation and traumatize her deeply.
 I think its reasonable to take it for granted that responsible parents should try their very best that they can to guide and help their children.
 And because of ruthless people who take it for granted that a 15 year old child should be capable to take care of herself in every aspect as if a 40 year old did, family value has become perverted leading to social problems.

youth,
 well, i think i am really old in your eyes because i don't take everything for granted. i see no point why parents shall be blamed for their incapacity to help while u can seek more professional help from teachers and other school counsellor

千錯萬錯都是父母的錯,自己永遠不會錯? 唔識得教真係唔好生,學歷唔夠高都唔好生,做唔到聖人都一樣唔好生,會縱壞自己d子女都唔好生,冇人咁有錢都唔好生,同年青人有代溝又唔好生,唔係你第時上forum見到你d子女鬧你人渣老屎忽等等就唔好怨,因為你錯在生佢出黎又唔教佢,害佢俾人話冇家教.

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 sigh~ pls see this subsequent msg from sentor:-
 
 hahahaha - 05/08/07 10:29
 Sorry, I have not read all the message. I didn't know the original poster did blame his mom.
 
 by sentor - 05/08/07 10:42
 
 sentor 一早已經明白我地講緊個point係乜喇

Don not agree to the following:
 
 "If the parents failed to or even omitted to give advice without exhausting any other possible alternatives, they are not qualified as good parents."
 
 "養不教，父之過；教不嚴，師之惰"
 
 Parents should teach kids basic and generalconcepts on what is right or wrong, but it does not mean that parents must know and teach kids of all details of life deeds.
 
 My concept is --- every one is an individual. They are free to choose their own path of life. Parents are only required to guide kids not to go stray.
 
 In western developed countries, especially USA and Canada, Grade 7 (equal to F1 in HK) students already choose every single subject they wish to take (except core subjects such as English, Mathematics, etc).

唔識得教真係唔好生,學歷唔夠高都唔好生,做唔到聖人都一樣唔好生,會縱壞自己d子女都唔好生,冇人咁有錢都唔好生,同年青人有代溝又唔好生
 
 ^^^^^^
 
 totally agree

上面有人竟然讀到中三, 連選文科理科都要問阿媽............why not?
 I did and all my friends did. We might not just asked mothers but sure our parents.
 
 by sentor - 05/08/07 09:34
 
 
 
 
 
 40歲人
 
 人地一早講左有何不可, 我只係認同佢呢點, 唔係回應你or hahaha村姑問題

when people blame parents not (able) to advise kids of what subjects to choose in F3-F4, they omit one thing -- what does the kids like to take?
 
 Advising kids to choose any subjects they dislike is not a good thing. Advising kids to choose any subjects for which the kids got failing marks in the past exams is also worth 2nd thought.
 
 you just can't tell the kids what subjects are good and lead to a better career (it may not be true).
 
 The birth rate of HK is one of the lowest in the world. One of the reasons is that people set TOO HIGH requirements to parents before they decide to give birth. This is not the right concept.

youth,
 i was not born to be 40. i was also once 15. and u think that i don't understand subject selection for a f.3 student is crucial? my bro chose the science stream for his f.4-5 studies, but then shifted back to arts at matriculation, and successfully got his uni degree finally. there's always a way for those who pay effort, but not those grudging this and that all the day

........
 唉, 你quote既係sentor第一個留言, 我quote既係sentor之後既留言, 我地講既重點係, 問父母意見無問題, 有得問我地仲會好羨慕, 但如果無得問, 或者父母幫你唔到, 亦唔需要怨天怨地怨自己有幾命苦, 明未?

同父母有商有量, 絶對係好事, 家庭和階啲, 有何不好 ? 唔係叫父母指明條最最明路比你行為之對, 例如阿仔問父母:"我打算返國內搏一搏, 好不好 ?" 父母答:" 雖然不知道國內行程, 只有你有信心, 我一定支持你" , 難度咁樣溝通都不對

其實做父母好艱難
 管得多仔女又嫌你太管
 唔管又驚佢壞
 講多句驚佢嫌你煩
 唔講又話唔關心
 零用俾得多又驚佢使得大
 俾少左又驚佢去做不法勾當
 讀書唔鞭策又驚佢f.3要出黎做嘢
 讀書鞭策多又驚佢去跳樓
 天氣凍又驚佢冷親
 ......
 總之仔女所有嘢都要上心. 責任好大
 我帶細路出街, 我都要千唔該萬唔好意思, 驚人話佢哋無禮貌無家教.
 
 做咗亞媽, 先知咁大壓力.
 
 ps 版主, 如果我仔女話我正人渣, 我諗我會匿埋內疚到死...

........
 唉, 用番你舉既例子喇 (希望你唔好轉頭又話我將你講既野無限放大)
 你講同父母溝通當然係好事啦, 但如果, 我講如果, 你父母俾唔到意見你, 只係答你: "阿仔, 國內情況我都唔知, 更加唔識幫你分析, 你自己搵其他人問啦"
 咁你係咪就又要話你父母無盡責, 因為佢地俾唔到意見你?
 你睇到當中既分別未?

40歲人
 
 唉! 你都講過好多次, 我同你一樣唔需要問父母, 而且, 我第一段留言開始, 只係認同中三問父母有何不可, 但係你要夾住村姑段野黎講, 我先至回應你, 你有你既道理, 人地段留言, 都有上文下理, 並非果一段文字憎阿媽

40歲人
 
 村姑引用果段
 ", 好迷茫, 唔知choose咩科, 問阿媽, 佢唔會同我分識, 只係同我講: 呢d野~ 阿媽都唔識~ 你自己choose啦. "
 
 我用例子
 例如阿仔問父母:"我打算返國內搏一搏, 好不好 ?" 父母答:" 雖然不知道國內行程, 只有你有信心, 我一定支持你"
 
 你既然40歲人, 你唔洗我答都知邊個令人感覺舒服

.......
 呢一刻俾你感覺舒服又點呢? 如果我真係唔識, 但就一味講我一定支持你, 到你隻腳踩左落個tum到之後咁會點呢?
 
 算喇, 其實講來講去三幅被, 明我講乜既人一早明左, 唔明既似乎永遠唔會明, 你我網上萍水相逢, 我實在毋需要要你一定明我

40歲人
 
 
 唔明既似乎永遠唔會明, <<彼此彼此, 跟本skip人地原意
 
 
 呢一刻俾你感覺舒服又點呢?<<
 好重要架, 呢點同人際關係溝通技巧, 唔只對仔女咁簡單, 對你朋友一樣, 或者到你真正需要人安慰, 你自然會明

呢的咁既人，見得多啦，一個字：廢！
 
 無他既，無論你講得幾有道理，總之佢無錯，係別人既錯，就算佢自己真係有錯，都係別人令到佢錯，佢永遠有借口，有原因，就係無勇氣去承認自己無能。
 
 一個人，只見到別人錯，拒絕承認自己不足，自然唔會改進，唔會努力，因為需要改果個係佢，而唔係別人，所以佢只會坐係度等人地改，然後等呢個世界就會改變，等個天跌錢落來，等李嘉誠變成佢老豆，一路等，一路怨．．．

我身邊似乎未聽過有人咁怨恨父母, 除左網上留言版, (我覺得版主唔可信, 專登引起人有反應, 偏激既越偏激, 可能版主係度鬧番自己)!
 其實你地係邊度接觸呢種人, (版主呢種)!
 因為she.com專有一啲立心不良煸動人, 傳媒鍾意攞料, 又有人做project, 又有可能為雞碎既錢!

if he thinks raising children is "過手癮" then he is very much mistaken. It is just a baby will not moan at their parents for not being rich.
 人地個仔 is a big looser.

真係笑死人冇命賠, 阿點姐/我咁睇, 我覺得中三仲問阿媽選咩科但又得唔到阿媽意見而鬧阿媽幫唔到自己好笑, 你地又加把口, 咁你地又一定係村姑姐同版主兄啦!
 
 邊個見人就鬧大家有眼睇, 花成日鬧到落黎第二版都樂此不疲既, 我都真係要寫個服字俾你 "地"。冇錯, 唔識得教真係唔好生, 生著你 "幾" 個已經有版俾大家睇。
 
 得閒怨天尤人, 不如讀下書啦。

hahahaha
 
 冇錯怨天尤人, 可止你都要讀書, 直頭唔好上she., 咁浪費你天才, 根本一開始唔係答你, 中三問阿媽係你夾硬要加埋村姑黎講, 你唔講冇乜人理村姑, 幻想力又豐富, 之前話唔講, 而家你又講

一 . 首先你有o羊資格代表其他人呀 ?
 
 二 . 你唔想 " 同人家d仔女爭飯食 " 你o米食屎飲尿o羅 . 呢 d 冇人爭架 , 擔保你食得招積 .

阿點姐, 啊! 原來要得你批准先上得she.com , 要經你覆核先可以留言! hahahaha
 
 我覺得村姑同中三選科問呀媽單野好笑, 其他人 (包括你) 要講埋一份都可以賴我, 好似我害你咁! 人地睇唔過眼話你, 又話人分身, 見人就鬧, 講幻想力豐富, 邊夠你?
 
 賴人呢樣絕技,你同版主/村姑/我咁睇/youth, 如出一轍 , 響度演繹得出神入化, 真係要俾十個勁你地, 兼封埋你地做 she.com 話事人啦! 邊個講野唔岩聽, 就要用 "人渣" 同 "老屎忽" 呢 d 字眼黎鬧人, 唔係就叫做 "冇禮貌"!

成日鬧人分身既人。。。好熟﹐曾經係其他版(Relationahip)都見過有個女既咁鬧人﹐又係邊個講野邊個就係分身。。。

睇到我眼都花,究竟版主,youth同......知唔知自己好乞人憎,d用詞令人好反感?

hahahaha
 
 我認同某網友中三選科問父母有何不可 ? 冇人留意過你同村姑留言, 我又唔係答你, 你自己憋虌u, 你就撘咀能埋..../ 村姑, 仲一路拗落去, 咁叫賴你?邊個姓賴呀, 你囉!
 而我唔會答版主問題
 第一, 可信性唔高, 可能玩野, 無情情句答中產咁搞笑?!
 第二, 假使係真既, 版主屋企應該有大問題, 先會導致咁既想法, 而且一家唔知一家事
 再講村姑, 好喇你咁鍾意能埋alias.....or 村姑黎講, 又係你第一個要答訕一直答落去, 咪同你講囉 ! 你覺得冇必要認同我架? 我又有必要認同你?! 若然村姑只為左一件中三選科事件, 就嬲阿媽, 佢就完全唔岩, 而我睇埋佢全篇留言, 我相信唔係只為呢件事, 似是火遮眼用錯憎字, 佢兩母女都有責任
 你地咁似娛記既, 捉住一句, 係喇, 你係咁既人, 人地講左成大段野skip哂既, 又鍾意判官
 好似我朋友開一間cafe, 有狗仔隊偷影鄭嘉穎, 有個鬼佬熟客人好有心通水, 同鄭又搭幾句咀, 順便擋路唔比狗仔隊影鄭嘉穎, 出來報導結果話佢地搞基, 你又唔知熟客鬼佬一個
 我朋友同明星傾計, 又比狗仔隊影, 已經同狗仔隊傾閒計, 報導係要話佢地曖昧既, 梗係因為影倒角度似咬耳仔, 撘膞頭, 你啲人就話, 你咬仔撘膞頭, 仲唔係基?
 我話你"似老屎忽思想像" 唔知你地邊個打邊個好話你"老屎忽", 你聽清楚, 我話你"似"老屎忽思想, 唔係話你係一個老屎忽
 唔通你係一個對性開放, 晚晚一兩個不同sex partner , 我話你思想同妓女咁開放, 你就係一個妓? 我係話你思想開放呀!
 
 況且家下一定要認同你先對架, 做人做事一定要非黑即白? 你咁鍾意捉人地一句半句去講, 唔怪得she令你咁有滿足快感

你自己憋虌u= 你自己撘錯線

......
 
 有時寸人鬧人都要人睇得明,講得通,次次一大篇野冇人明你想講咩,我淨係見到你動不動見人就鬧,用詞刻薄,你鬧人d野,都一樣係鬧緊你自己,鬧得橫蠻無理,為鬧而鬧,鬧人鬧到人人都覺得你似係一個潑婦,何必呢?

sigh
 
 做架量睇野睇啲唔睇啲, 我打過- 05/10/07 12:22咁大篇之外, 冇一篇長篇大論, 我唔認同你地姐, 好! 我講理據, 你就話人橫蠻, 你真係為拗而拗

今次sigh你唔啱
 由頭到尾各有各說,
 一個講東,
 一個講西,
 大家觀點角度不同而矣
 你又何必潑火呢?

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 又吾話父母係人渣
 佢地祇�p過係騙子
 
 @@@@@@@@

...... - 05/10/07 15:45
 
 我係話你用詞刻薄,見人就鬧,鬧人加個"似"就話冇叫鬧人,咁仲唔叫野蠻?咁以後冇譭謗罪,各位鬧人時即管加個"好似"係前面,就可以推卸得一了百了
 
 
 公道話 - 05/10/07 15:54
 唔好意思,敢問你咁講又算唔算係潑火?由頭到尾,不止我一個話佢冇禮貌同野蠻,各有觀點唔需要見人就鬧,用詞刻薄,個個都講緊東,得佢一個講緊西,佢得唔到認同就鬧曬全部人, 15:45 - 15:54 短短9分鐘裡面,唔知你有冇機會睇曬佢所有留言,如果冇,請平心靜氣由頭睇一次,或者印出黎問下其他人點睇

我覺得父母供仔女讀完中學, 已經完成責任, 供讀a-level/大學只係bouns. 中學畢業都年紀唔細啦, 應該開始行自己既路, 自己供自己讀書有咩問題??? 咁同人比較根本就無意思, 見人地比自己好就怨父母, 不如怨自己無去做李超人個仔.

咁鍾意怨父母, 你自己積極D, 冇富貴命, 唔該唔好下下發夢做李嘉誠, 做人要面對現實.
 
 題外話:
 
 sigh, 你好煩! 我好平心睇過哂點點講緊東, 你地班友仔會錯哂意不停講西, 何況你已經離哂題, 版主講東, 你去講西, 同樣你有唔著地方, 律己以寬, 待人以嚴, 咁得閒judge別人, 倒不如做D有意義嘅事, 係咁...

sigh, 你好煩! 我好平心睇過哂點點講緊東, 你地班友仔會錯哂意不停講隻西, 何況你已經離哂題, 版主講東, 你去講隻西, 同樣你有唔著地方, 律己以寬, 待人以嚴, 咁得閒judge別人, 倒不如做D有意義嘅事, 係咁...

三字經選譯：養不教，父之過
 
 【原文】“養不教，父之過；教不嚴，師之惰。”
 
 【白話譯解】生育子女，只知道養活他們，而不去教育他們，那就是做父親的過錯。老師教導學生，不只是知識的傳授，也要教學生做人處世的道理。而且對學生的要求要嚴格，如此才能教導出優秀的學生。
 
 
 父母是孩子人生的第一老師。在家庭中，父母平時的一言一行，孩子們從小就一一看在眼�堙A印刻在幼小的心靈中。因此父母平時的言傳身教，以及對待家庭教育的態度，教育孩子時的方法、心態和風格，都對孩子的人生觀、性格發展、為人處世的態度等等，發生著直接而深刻的影響。這種影響，即便孩子上學以後，甚至成年之後，也很難淡忘。所以說，對子女，不僅僅要教育，而且教育的方法也是至關重要的。

三字經選譯：
 “養不教，父之過；教不嚴，師之惰。”
 
 
 if this is applied to ALL parents and teachers, I think they ALL fail miiiii-serrrrrr-ableeeeeee !!!!

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