有好多人會眼紅窮人有供屋, 每月有幾千蚊公援, 但唸深一層, 你估佢哋唔想好似我哋咁住太古城, 去UNY買餸, 去北京樓飲茶, 既然自己生活條件比別人好, 點解仲要眼紅窮人?





  • 我反而覺得現時政府對窮人做得不夠多, 不夠好, 外國個個退休人士都係靠政府援助, 一年出國外遊兩次, 佢哋唔會feel shame, 這是社會福利, 是理所當然的, 我唔明白點解回歸之後香港政府不斷lable踪援養懶人



  • 好多中產人士成日話自己無福利,支出又多,但係佢地既生活質素又高架姐,住靚樓�嗉馬悌僎Q野仔女讀名校,每年去外遊,搵得多使得多,比間公屋你你係米真係去住先,我作為窮人,我真係好恨做中產,就算要將收入30%交稅我都唔想拿綜援住公屋呀



  • 眼紅?.....邊個眼紅住攞公屋拿公援?


    有公屋你住, 有得你拿公援, 讀書唔駛自己出錢, 搵份art time , 用黎吃喝玩樂, 呢啲見唔少





    反而有個朋友,屋企入息超過公屋資格, 屋企又要供樓, 所剩錢唔多, 申請grant loan又冇資格, 為減少家人負擔,人地做part time / 出來工作半工讀, 真係用黎交學費



  • 中產人士的確係最辛苦o個班, 唔好睇人地住咩屋坐咩車, 呢d全部都係人地自己耕耘返黎, 人地搵幾多洗幾多係佢自己既事, 政府對中產既支援最少, 福利最少又係另一件事.





    其實叫做中產一d都唔中產, 有居屋年代, 一個家庭四個人如果搵兩萬幾已經唔可以抽居屋, 要買私樓, 兩萬幾要供樓查實一d都唔嘆, 夾o係中間之餘又無得享受福利唔好以為好正.





    所以呢d野都係你睇人好人睇你好姐.



  • 我反而覺得現時政府對窮人做得不夠多, 不夠好, 外國個個退休人士都係靠政府援助, 一年出國外遊兩次, 佢哋唔會feel shame, 這是社會福利, 是理所當然的, 我唔明白點解回歸之後香港政府不斷lable踪援養懶人





    by TIGER -


    唔係下喎!外國退休人士用嗰D叫做security fund, 唧係我地的MPF, 人地由頭到尾都係用自已$。踪援在外國叫做welfare, 唔可以好似HK甘冇了期甘拿,人地重係一D $, 一D係food stamp, 等D 寄生蟲唔可以亂用"人地" D $, Ok???







  • "中產人士的確係最辛苦o個班, 唔好睇人地住咩屋坐咩車, 呢d全部都係人地自己耕耘返黎, 人地搵幾多洗幾多係佢自己既事, 政府對中產既支援最少, 福利最少又係另一件事."





    當然係自辛苦得番來啦,點洗當然係自己既事,所以我自己都努朝呢個目標進發,有無福利有無支援我覺得唔緊要,自己有能力使乜怕無福利姐,福利留比窮人囉, 因為洗廁所阿嬸同倒垃圾既都好辛苦架,賺雞碎咁多



  • 我地兩公婆入息夾埋2萬5仟


    有7仟/8仟要比家人做家用


    其餘雜費, 保險........


    抽居屋都冇資格, 更何況啲居屋都唔平, 亦唔抵, 用白表申請去抽居屋亦好難中





    仲有我地咁既入息, 中產又唔係, 低下層, 又比真係最基層既人話我地有錢果一類, 中產基層都會排斥我地呢一類


    而我地乜都要靠自己.....等政府幫, 多鬼餘, 啲樓咁貴.....佢幫手解決啲樓市唔好咁貴, 家陣起哂豪宅.. 我地呢一類根本冇撰擇餘地



  • 點解搵兩三萭人覺得自己係中產, in my point of view, family income 起碼搵7萭以上先可以算中產



  • 兩公婆夾埋揾4萬左右都唔見得好



  • "有無福利有無支援我覺得唔緊要,自己有能力使乜怕無福利姐,福利留比窮人囉"





    住太古城, 去uny, 年年去旅行同有車階級已經很不錯. 好多中產都好唔中產, 明白嗎? 福利留比窮人, 有能力搵但因為無福利要捱貴樓, 因為根本無乜選擇.



  • 點解搵兩三萭人覺得自己係中產, in my point of view, family income 起碼搵7萭以上先可以算中產





    by JJ





    好簡單, 因為搵兩 萬多既家庭已經沒有福利...咁算什麼? 低收入人士?



  • 我冇話自己中產, 我話自己中產又唔係, 最基層又係算, 我身邊所識基層人士眼中,佢地覺得有錢, 另一個搵幾十萬一個月人工同學眼中, 我地兩公婆咁既入息, 點可能捱得住生活



  • 就算我地兩公婆岩岩2萬3仟有資抽居屋又點? 我地都比左7仟幾8仟做家用, 居屋又唔平, 唔好忘記, 將來要補地價



  • ??????????????????????????????





    真係要慨嘆一句,呢個乜野世界




  • 版主講緊果d係住太古城呢類既人,每月供樓最少都要萬幾蚊,起碼搵六、七萬一個月果類



  • 版主口中果番話, 我都好懷疑版主係咪佢口中住係太古城, 日日去uny 買送既人士



  • 坐車貴食飯貴住屋貴人工少交稅多



  • 點解呀,有邊樹令人懷疑呀?



  • 個版主好奇怪、自己話自己係中産、係中産高一層(一家100K以上)或者5-6萬、一般講要減税一群係5-6萬左右一層、這一群人普通講係減税、吾係所謂”眼紅”、別人点係人地事、先不要加税、再者要求減税、講”眼紅”一群通常係未到中産



  • 今日先知交稅養的4肢健全,唔肯努力,望天打卦,口口聲聲話個天唔幫佢,最好個天跌一千幾百萬佢洗的人.....係納稅人份內的事.......天呀!!!!!



  • 住太古城, 去UNY買餸, 去北京樓飲茶, 有車有樓, 已經是有錢人中產以上的...





    最慘是介乎於窮人與中產之間的一群人! 如入息10k~15k的人, 兩邊唔到岸, 供樓或交租去了大半人工, 租來的單位比公屋還要細! 如要供養父母或子女, 每月真是沒錢剩, 如果病了返不到工或突然失業, 分分鍾過慘過住公屋領綜援的人士...所以捱生捱死都不能病或休息...





    生活及工作壓力極大, 政府完全無幫助還要交稅... 真是生不如死!




  • 因為有d未到中產既人講左d眼紅窮人有福利既說話,而又自稱中產,但版主以為果d人真係中產,係住得起太古城果種地方,所以就發表左以上既野



  • 因為有d未到中產既人講左d眼紅窮人有福利既說話,而又自稱中產,但版主以為果d人真係中產,係住得起太古城果種地方,所以就發表左以上既野





    by ng - 02/01/07 17:18





    你同版主簡直本末倒置, 眼紅??



  • yes,


    本末倒置,呢個乜野世界!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



  • This is my personal definition :-








    10k ~ 20k : Poor





    20k ~ 30k : Acceptable





    30k or above : Middle Class








    Do you agree with my definition ?



  • 樓上,要視乎呢筆收入幾多個人使喎,一個人搵三萬梗係好好使啦,但兩公婆有細路再加上兩家既父母就好窮啦



  • depends on how many people using the same sum of $.


    whole family earns 30k but 6 heads use it, still poor



  • 哦,原來話income/person,咁就差唔多



  • 吾係化?$30K算Middle Class?



  • Assuming the money is spent by 1 to 2 persons.



  • koala,





    According to Govt Statistics, only 10 to 15% of HK employees earning $30k or above per month.



  • 如果你屋企有家底照你, 我地冇資格作出批評, 因為你住既, 食既, 玩既, 駛既, 讀書既, 唔係靠政府, 而且係閣下家事





    拿公援, 有公屋, 有grant唔駛錢讀書, 搵份part time 去吃喝玩樂, 你暗啞底, 扮下傻唔出聲扮醒老作話靠自己, 都叫有自知之名, 冇人去理你








    相反, 你一出聲口出狂言, 你應該覺得慚愧先岩




  • 你鬧緊邊個呀,邊個一出聲口出狂言呀,呢度邊個要覺得慚愧?



  • 呢度都無一個講自己拿綜援住公屋拿grant loan唔使錢讀書



  • 難以置信版主住太古城 , UNY 買餸 , 北京樓食飯嗰種生活既人 , 佢啲口吻十足十版主口中話人眼紅佢既草根



  • 即係冇人信樓主等人係中產.........



  • 呢個版主一定唔係中產啦, 肯定係博見報拿錢走,



  • 就算係草根都唔係個個住公屋拿綜援既,好多草根無福利架,我每月連埋兼職搵兩萬幾,我父母無學歷,而家老左做唔到體力勞動既工,仲有我阿麻一齊住,一個妹讀緊中學,我一個人養曬,住一層好殘好舊既唐樓 (阿爺留低既),讀大學時借 non-means tested loan,而家七釐息,仲還緊,雖然我地都無福利,但我地都唔會唔抵得人地拿綜援果d,就算佢地有兼職搵些少又點姐,人地生活得好d唔好咩?點解一定要見人地家塗四壁先開心呢,果d家庭既小朋友好自卑架,大左搵份兼職搵下零用錢過番d好小小既生活由佢囉,don’t be so mean



  • 外國個個退休人士都係靠政府援助, 一年出國外遊兩次


    by TIGER - 02/01/07 16:04





    Mind telling which countrie(s) you were talking about?



  • I believe no one 會唔抵得人地拿綜援 if they really need help,


    just唔抵得混水摸魚的人拿綜援,仲嫌小




  • I believe no one 會唔抵得人地拿綜援 if they really need help,


    just唔抵得混水摸魚的人拿綜援,仲嫌小








    by 唔會唔抵得人地拿綜援


    Agree x 100





    And where is TIGER???? how come he has nothing to say now???????



  • 點解搵兩三萭人覺得自己係中產, in my point of view, family income 起碼搵7萭以上先可以算中產


    by JJ - 02/01/07 16:42





    Ther is no specific definition of "middle" class, but it is widely accepted that middle class are those who


    1. are not rich.


    2. pay the most tax


    3. receive no government benefit / social welfare.





    For point 2 above, 25k/mth = 300k/yr; 200k personal allowance of couple, 1st 30k >3%tax, 2nd 30k>8%tax, 3rd 30k>14% tax, remainings 17% tax; i.e. family income of 25k/mth already needs to pay the highest marginal tax of 17%.





    In my opinion, family income of $25,000 or above is already middle class, because they receive no government benefit / social welfare, but they pay most tax (start to pay highest marginal tax).




  • 你估佢哋唔想好似我哋咁住太古城, 去UNY買餸, 去北京樓飲茶


    ---------------------------------


    o下....乜咁就係令人羨慕的「中產」生活啊....





    也不過如此啊,那中產來幹嗎~



  • You are right ... the living style of middle class people is nothing special



  • by 係喎又 - 02/01/07 18:03





    Lower boundary of Middle class also needs help.





    They really feel sad / angry because -





    In economic depression, government helps the poor (not middle class) but never the middle class. On the contrary, the government increases the tax (mainly focusing on middle class) while many middle class's salaries are deducted. In economic discovery, the government has more money to help the poor, but again, seldom distribute some directly to the middle class. The government ignores the fact that many middle class's salaries do not benefit from economic discovery.





    In Hong Kong, it seems to have a strange pheonmeon that middle class needs to strive hard every second in their whole life, or they will gradually become the poor under the government's financial and social policy nowadays.




  • 版主亂up引罵戰